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The little refinements I want the N95 to include.

Posted On: Thu, 28/12/2006 - 03:07 by Alex



I have the N80. I've had it, and used it, for ages - I've just been a little too busy to review it in the depth I would like to.

In any case, rest assured that my comments in "Why you want to buy the N80" remain as accurate as they were on the day I wrote them. The competitive market has undergone a somewhat radical change, however - the range of products is diversifying rapidly, with phones becoming much slimmer (e.g. Samsung's Ultra series) and new market niches being created (e.g. Motorola's Fone, which is a -great- idea).

Even the niche which the N80 is in (Smartphone with no touchscreen) is becoming croweded, what with the availability far more models from Dopod, and a new windows mobile 6.0. But the N80 is still a pretty good buy, as it has become one of the most affordable choices with that featureset.

But it isn't significantly -better- than the competition any longer, and indeed Nokia must produce a "better" handset for upgraders - so what does Nokia have as a response? Why - the Nokia N95! It seems to be really really good - something which is a worthy upgrade in terms of features - which is pretty amazing given the featureset of the N80. The N95 adds GPS, a 5MP autofocus camera (marked with the Carl Zeiss trademark, in case that interests you) along with a substantially larger screen (2.6" vs. 2.1"), while maintaining the smorsmagord (sp) of features already in the N80 (WiFi, Symbian, memory expansion slot). It's also probably going to be physically prettier, although that's hard to say without access to an actual object (*nudge*hint*).

However, there are certain "soft" features which could have well been included in the N80 but were not, and that is the subject of discussion today. What does the N80 do badly, in spite of itself, and what should the N95 include? Here is my list of the most important improvements which will nevertheless never (well. are less likely to) appear in a feature list:

Interface speed - This is much better than the older symbian phones, it's probably marginally more responsive than the 6630/N70, but not close to the newer Nokia Series 40 phones (e.g. 6280) and I think this will actually be improved as the N95 is supposed to include a faster processor. Hopefully there won't need to be too much of a sacrifice in terms of battery life - being able to use the phone for at least a day without recharging is probably the test.

Audio - The audio output is not ideal, because of several things:
1. There is a very subtle background hiss when attached to sensitive headphones when playing music, and there's a very obvious hiss when changing between tracks whatever headphones are in use. I would also say that the included headphones aren't very good, but I suppose asking for that might actually result in a significant price increase. (and I don't have a personal interest in the matter, as I use either Etymotic ER4p's or UE 5 Pro's. :p)

This is also true for the N73, but is hopefully (I don't know) not an issue for the N91. This hiss is correctable - just use a resistor - for example, the one included with UE5's. Nokia would be able to do it better by adding something like that within the circuitry of the phone - if a resistor is added, the only thing which needs to be increased is the amplification ability.

2. The audio quality itself is not so hot. I suppose that this would be expected in a "multifunction" device, but it was a little disconcerting to note that the N80 sounds worse than my old 3G ipod, which is pretty (5? years) old.

3. Music player interface - please please please either use the space in the music player to display the album art, or resign the music player interface such that there's no obvious space. Even better, provide both.

The music player interface, apart from this, is potentially the best of
-ALL- portable mp3 players on the market, because ipod wheel scrolling (and the U10's d-click) lose as compared to being able to type the name of the song you want (assuming you have at least 2GB of songs). The player also lists what's coming up next, which is a sweet touch. The other thing which might be interesting to add is some easy interface to select the upcoming songs - the best implementation of this I've seen is the "party playlist' feature in iTunes.

The N95 makes it even better with dedicated start/stop/forward/backward buttons.

4. Jack sensing - please at least make it an option for the music to stop playing when headphones are removed or the adaptor is removed. It's something which the phone does detect in any case.

Apps/phone software - the apps and the integral operating system that the phone shipped with have also improved, but several things could change for the better:

1. Calculator - Work out a deal with mtvoid, pretty please, and include Calcium as part of the package. It's an excellent calculator.

2. WiFi access - the current interface sucks. Really. It's not actually difficult to create creating access point profiles - but finding out how to do it is really tough. This is why you have usability specialists right? Make profiles creatable more easily! Bonus points if an easy way to authenticate with "free" Wifi hotspots which require you to access a webpage to enter information is implemented.

3. application stability - I get software (including snake) killing themselves sometimes when messages come in or the phone rings. This really shouldn't happen. I also can't zoom more than 50% in the gallery without getting an "out of memory" message. Messages like that are also not uncommon when using the browser.

4. Calendar - please include tasks categorization.

5. Clock - support for NTP servers please! Given the "connectedness" of the phone, this should be included.

6. USB transfer - I bet you didn't know (unless you own an N80) that it's only USB 2.0 in terms of conformance to that specification - transfer speeds of the N80 are limited to USB 1 speeds (i.e. super slow.) I hope that the N95 actually supports USB 2.0 in terms of it's higher transfer speed. Note that this is not deceptive marketing or anything like that - for some reason the USB-standards body said this is kosher.

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I think that this list of items actually demonstrates that Nokia did pretty well with the N80. Hopefully the N95 will also be basically all that is promised... although for my audio "woes" I might be best served by just going to get a new ipod...

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Nokia N80 and N71 shipping ...

Posted On: Thu, 04/05/2006 - 11:16 by Alex

... in some parts of the world. Availability of the N80 seems to be rather low, but it's pricing is not too surprising. If you have no idea what the N80 is - read this, or just take it from us that it's a good phone.

Whether it's a good buy is not so clear-cut; In a comparison with the recently released Nokia 6280, you're basically paying more for:

  • Symbian compatibility (which may grow to be more important, but because Symbian 3rd edition phones are incompatible with older phones (6680/N70) is not an issue now)
  • Wifi (killer feature; unless you can get a unlimited 3G data plan which would be even better)
  • +1MP camera ( particularly because of the addition of macro functionality)
  • marginally better screen resolution (alrightttt. but the 6280 screen is quite gorgeous anyhow)
  • seriously superior browser (check out this excellent preview by Eugenia Loli-Queru at OS news)

So - if you're going to be using those features, bite. Otherwise.. perhaps not? Take special care to take note of the offers available for the Nokia 6280 - we've seen some rather attractive deals. Also remember that the S40 V3 UI is pretty good stuff.

We're not recommending the N71 because we don't like clamshells. :)

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Nokia N80-1 has been FCC approved...

Posted On: Fri, 16/12/2005 - 18:28 by Alex

The Europe/Asia (WCDMA 2100) version of the Nokia N80 has been FCC approved. The test report indicates that the test device (Nokia N80-1) is a five band (GSM850/900/1800/1900 and WCDMA 2100) mobile phone with GPRS, EGPRS , Bluetooth and WLAN. It's model number is RM-92, the N80-3 which was previously FCC approved was RM-91.

The inclusion of the fact that the device will carry "WLAN" is interesting, because of the lack of such a description in the N80-3's test report. It's probably not really important, but perhaps Nokia refused to disable the WLAN functionality for Cingular (similar to how the WLAN is available in the HTC Tornado but disabled in Cingular's 2125) - and so the phone went from being listed on Cingular internal servers to ship from 21st Jan, to being cancelled.

Also, quite a nice manual is available from the FCC. And there's no sign of any request for short-term confidentiality in sight! Read more of our Nokia N80 coverage here.

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N80 - available around Feb '06?

Posted On: Thu, 15/12/2005 - 08:11 by Alex

Everyone is really anxious about when the Nokia N80 is about to hit stores. Obviously, Nokia is being as tight lipped as usual, only committing to Q1 2006, (which is anytime from jan to march 2006) and as we all know their estimates sometimes go wrong.

However, JJSmith, commenting on the Nokia N80 page on GSMArena.com, has news - He picked up a brochure from the mobile retailer "The Phone House" in Portugal which stated that the N80 would be available in Feburary 2006.

He even has pictures.

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S60 3rd Edition Featurette - WiFi

Posted On: Tue, 06/12/2005 - 21:45 by Alex

As phat as it will be to have 3G data access from your Symbian S60 3rd Edition Device (now that Cingular can finally provide 3G service), probably the best (read: most affordable) way to achieve data access will be via WiFi.

Why? It's ubiquitous. Municipal WiFi is on the rise, as US cities like San Francisco, Philadelphia, Seattle, and New Orleans move to provide networks, often for free... (continued)

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Nokia takes steps to preserve N80-3 "proprietary information"

Posted On: Sat, 26/11/2005 - 11:57 by Alex

It seems that Nokia reads gadget blogs. Our story on the Nokia N80-3's FCC approval was widely linked (thanks guys! love you!) but only by blog-ish media and forums. Even so, Nokia wrote to the FCC on the day after it appeared to request for short term (45 day) confidentiality.

The FCC appears to have ...

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Nokia N80-3 has been (partially?) FCC approved!

Posted On: Thu, 24/11/2005 - 09:56 by Alex

Update 26/11/2005: Corrected some grammatical errors and added model number information - the N80 which was approved in this FCC grant is the Nokia N80-3. Presumably the N80 with quadband + WCDMA 2100 will be the Nokia N80-1.

Nokia obviously wants -something- to be out by christmas (we hope).

The North American (WCDMA 1900) version of the delightful Nokia N80 has been FCC approved, surprisingly early for a phone meant to ship in Q1 2005. [The test report indicates that the test device (Nokia N80-3) is a five band (GSM850/900/1800/1900 and WCDMA1900) mobile phone with GPRS,EGPRS and Bluetooth. The europe/asia (WCDMA 2100) version was not tested, and will require a different FCC ID.]

We would like to suggest that this makes it likely that the North American N80 will be released extremely soon - but this is still uncertain: Maybe Nokia has just got into an FCC-approval groove, and are sending their prototypes in earlier than before. (Remember that the Nokia N71 has also been approved.) This probably does mean that they've gotten the hang of how to engineer the radios (for WCDMA + GSM) effectively, which is especially shocking because the N80 is the first quadband GSM + WCDMA 1900 device Nokia has produced.

Possibly the strangest thing about this is that the Nokia N91 has not yet been approved - Nokia must be really breaking their backs doing the WMA / PlaysForSure work; although we're uncertain why that would affect radio emission characteristics. Isn't that software?

Also, it might be that more approvals are required before the FCC allows sale of the phone. The test report published with this approval was a test to comply with the radio emissions requirements of Part 15B of the FCC rules, but tests required for compliance with Parts 22 and 24 of the FCC rules have not yet been approved by the FCC. We're not entirely certain about the specific requirements for FCC compliance though - feel free to educate us.

And US readers - please note the Cingular sign on the phone.

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Gadget Porn: The Nokia N80

Posted On: Tue, 22/11/2005 - 16:50 by Alex

The Nokia N80 is a whale of a phone, featuring a 3.0MP camera with WiFi, Symbian OS 9.1 and a yummilicious design. We think it's a good buy.

We're quite certain that we'll review it when it comes out (Ed: possibly one review per colour.) but for now, slake your gadget thirst with this collection of photos from mobilmania.cz.

Nokia N80 Live

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